Talk:Bypass - Revision history

Datagram at 16:52, 15 January 2009

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	As these are all methods which compromise the security of a locking device. Perhaps for the sake of this page we can include a not that says bypasses excluding those which manipulate the cylinder itself?<br>		As these are all methods which compromise the security of a locking device. Perhaps for the sake of this page we can include a not that says bypasses excluding those which manipulate the cylinder itself?<br><hr>
			Mcm,<br>
			Sure, I will add a note to the summary.
			<br>-dg, 01.15.09

Mcm151201 at 23:25, 14 January 2009

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	I understand the difference that you are saying, I guess I just disagree with it. I think most trading locksmiths in the industry would agree with me in that lockpicking is a type of bypass. I would consider all of the following bypasses:		I understand the difference that you are saying, I guess I just disagree with it. I think most trading locksmiths in the industry would agree with me in that lockpicking is a type of bypass. I would consider all of the following bypasses:<br>
	Hand picking		Hand picking<br>
	Use of a comb pick		Use of a comb pick<br>
	Foil Impressioning		Foil Impressioning<br>
	Bumping		Bumping<br>
	Using a pick gun		Using a pick gun<br>
	Shim decoding		Shim decoding<br>
	Impressioning		Impressioning<br>
	Masterkey system reverse engineering		Masterkey system reverse engineering<br>
	Sigh reading wafers/pin colors		Sigh reading wafers/pin colors<br>
	Tryout Keys		Tryout Keys<br>
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	As well as...		As well as...<br>
	Padlock Shimming		Padlock Shimming<br>
	Loiding		Loiding<br>
	Actuator/Bolt manipulators		Actuator/Bolt manipulators<br>
	Bouncing		Bouncing<br>
	Twisting		Twisting<br>
	Drilling		Drilling<br>
	Cutting		Cutting<br>
	Spreading		Spreading<br>
	Burning		Burning<br>
	Pulling		Pulling<br>
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	As these are all methods which compromise the security of a locking device. Perhaps for the sake of this page we can include a not that says bypasses excluding those which manipulate the cylinder itself?		As these are all methods which compromise the security of a locking device. Perhaps for the sake of this page we can include a not that says bypasses excluding those which manipulate the cylinder itself?<br>

Mcm151201 at 23:24, 14 January 2009

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			I understand the difference that you are saying, I guess I just disagree with it. I think most trading locksmiths in the industry would agree with me in that lockpicking is a type of bypass. I would consider all of the following bypasses:
			Hand picking
			Use of a comb pick
			Foil Impressioning
			Bumping
			Using a pick gun
			Shim decoding
			Impressioning
			Masterkey system reverse engineering
			Sigh reading wafers/pin colors
			Tryout Keys

			As well as...
			Padlock Shimming
			Loiding
			Actuator/Bolt manipulators
			Bouncing
			Twisting
			Drilling
			Cutting
			Spreading
			Burning
			Pulling

			As these are all methods which compromise the security of a locking device. Perhaps for the sake of this page we can include a not that says bypasses excluding those which manipulate the cylinder itself?

Datagram at 17:43, 14 January 2009

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	I read it as a bypass "neutralizes the security of a locking device," meaning the device no longer provides the security which is intended. The device being the lock on the door, or padlock, etc.		I read it as a bypass "neutralizes the security of a locking device," meaning the device no longer provides the security which is intended. The device being the lock on the door, or padlock, etc.
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			Mcm,<br>
			Again, that is correct, but you are not understanding the difference. For some supporting info, search LP101 for "bypass." Almost all threads you'll see involve non-lockpicking/impressioning/decoding methods. In fact, full discussion of bypasses are limited to the advanced section only, because of the difference. You can also look at lockpicks.com and lockpickshop.com for bypass tools (they have their own section). You'll see that they are mostly actuator/bolt attacking tools, including some destructive tools.
			<br>-dg, 01.14.09
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Mcm151201 at 06:31, 14 January 2009

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	Your definition is correct, but your are mis-interpreting it. The key word is "neutralize," which means that the security of the cylinder is null and void. During lockpicking, the cylinder's security is your obstacle. In bypass it is not, because you are neutralizing/bypassing it altogether. If you reference the methods section, you'll see the definition matches up quite nicely in terms of noting that it is usually a design flaw of the lock (actuator) or application hardware (bolt/latch) that are targetting in bypass.		Your definition is correct, but your are mis-interpreting it. The key word is "neutralize," which means that the security of the cylinder is null and void. During lockpicking, the cylinder's security is your obstacle. In bypass it is not, because you are neutralizing/bypassing it altogether. If you reference the methods section, you'll see the definition matches up quite nicely in terms of noting that it is usually a design flaw of the lock (actuator) or application hardware (bolt/latch) that are targetting in bypass.
	<br>-dg, 01.13.09<hr>		<br>-dg, 01.13.09<hr>

			I read it as a bypass "neutralizes the security of a locking device," meaning the device no longer provides the security which is intended. The device being the lock on the door, or padlock, etc.

Datagram at 05:30, 14 January 2009

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	"A bypass occurs when a [[Lock\|lock]] is compromised without affecting the integrity of the lock cylinder. Generally, the [[Bolt\|bolt]] or [[Actuator\|actuator]] are targetted, though in some methods a knob or handle on the rear of a door is manipulated to allow entry. Bypass takes many forms, and can be either [[Non-destructive_Entry\|non-destructive]] or [[Destructive_Entry\|destructive]] depending on the techniques used."		"A bypass occurs when a [[Lock\|lock]] is compromised without affecting the integrity of the lock cylinder. Generally, the [[Bolt\|bolt]] or [[Actuator\|actuator]] are targetted, though in some methods a knob or handle on the rear of a door is manipulated to allow entry. Bypass takes many forms, and can be either [[Non-destructive_Entry\|non-destructive]] or [[Destructive_Entry\|destructive]] depending on the techniques used."

	<br>-dg, 01.12.09		<br>-dg, 01.12.09<hr>

	Well in my opinion the term "bypass" can loosely be defined as any method to unlock a lock, I suppose even including the key. I would consider lockpicking a form of bypass, for example. When I am unlocking someone's house for them, and I pick the lock, I am bypassing that lock.		Well in my opinion the term "bypass" can loosely be defined as any method to unlock a lock, I suppose even including the key. I would consider lockpicking a form of bypass, for example. When I am unlocking someone's house for them, and I pick the lock, I am bypassing that lock.
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	Mcm,<br>		Mcm,<br>
	The technical definition, one that I'd like to follow at lockwiki to avoid confusion is that any method to unlock a lock is known as a "compromise." Attacks against the cylinder are lockpicking. Attacks against non-cylinder lock components or surrounding area are bypass, named so because you are bypassing the security offered by the cylinder itself. Decoding is an attack against internal components, but does not necessarily open the lock or produce a key, only tell you the proper alignment of components. Impressioning is essentially a combination of decoding and lockpicking with the distinction of producing a working key. Some techniques are a gray area (e.g. tryout keys), but are still technically attacks against the cylinder and are thus classified as lockpicking. Most of these classifications aren't applied to destructive techniques (drilling isn't "lockpicking," of course), but some are blanket terms that involve destructive methods. For the sake of simplicity and clarity we can ignore these cases.		The technical definition, one that I'd like to follow at lockwiki to avoid confusion is that any method to unlock a lock is known as a "compromise." Attacks against the cylinder are lockpicking. Attacks against non-cylinder lock components or surrounding area are bypass, named so because you are bypassing the security offered by the cylinder itself. Decoding is an attack against internal components, but does not necessarily open the lock or produce a key, only tell you the proper alignment of components. Impressioning is essentially a combination of decoding and lockpicking with the distinction of producing a working key. Some techniques are a gray area (e.g. tryout keys), but are still technically attacks against the cylinder and are thus classified as lockpicking. Most of these classifications aren't applied to destructive techniques (drilling isn't "lockpicking," of course), but some are blanket terms that involve destructive methods. For the sake of simplicity and clarity we can ignore these cases.
	<br>-dg, 01.13.09		<br>-dg, 01.13.09<hr>

	My understanding of the term bypass, as accepted by the Lock Industry Standards and Training and the Associated Locksmiths of America, is that a bypass is any method which unlocks a lock.		My understanding of the term bypass, as accepted by the Lock Industry Standards and Training and the Associated Locksmiths of America, is that a bypass is any method which unlocks a lock.
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	This can include picking. Is there perhaps another standard for which I am not aware?		This can include picking. Is there perhaps another standard for which I am not aware?
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			Mcm,<br>
			Your definition is correct, but your are mis-interpreting it. The key word is "neutralize," which means that the security of the cylinder is null and void. During lockpicking, the cylinder's security is your obstacle. In bypass it is not, because you are neutralizing/bypassing it altogether. If you reference the methods section, you'll see the definition matches up quite nicely in terms of noting that it is usually a design flaw of the lock (actuator) or application hardware (bolt/latch) that are targetting in bypass.
			<br>-dg, 01.13.09<hr>

Mcm151201 at 02:27, 14 January 2009

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	The technical definition, one that I'd like to follow at lockwiki to avoid confusion is that any method to unlock a lock is known as a "compromise." Attacks against the cylinder are lockpicking. Attacks against non-cylinder lock components or surrounding area are bypass, named so because you are bypassing the security offered by the cylinder itself. Decoding is an attack against internal components, but does not necessarily open the lock or produce a key, only tell you the proper alignment of components. Impressioning is essentially a combination of decoding and lockpicking with the distinction of producing a working key. Some techniques are a gray area (e.g. tryout keys), but are still technically attacks against the cylinder and are thus classified as lockpicking. Most of these classifications aren't applied to destructive techniques (drilling isn't "lockpicking," of course), but some are blanket terms that involve destructive methods. For the sake of simplicity and clarity we can ignore these cases.		The technical definition, one that I'd like to follow at lockwiki to avoid confusion is that any method to unlock a lock is known as a "compromise." Attacks against the cylinder are lockpicking. Attacks against non-cylinder lock components or surrounding area are bypass, named so because you are bypassing the security offered by the cylinder itself. Decoding is an attack against internal components, but does not necessarily open the lock or produce a key, only tell you the proper alignment of components. Impressioning is essentially a combination of decoding and lockpicking with the distinction of producing a working key. Some techniques are a gray area (e.g. tryout keys), but are still technically attacks against the cylinder and are thus classified as lockpicking. Most of these classifications aren't applied to destructive techniques (drilling isn't "lockpicking," of course), but some are blanket terms that involve destructive methods. For the sake of simplicity and clarity we can ignore these cases.
	<br>-dg, 01.13.09		<br>-dg, 01.13.09

			My understanding of the term bypass, as accepted by the Lock Industry Standards and Training and the Associated Locksmiths of America, is that a bypass is any method which unlocks a lock.

			"by-pass tool
			n. a device that neutralizes the security of a locking device, or its application hardware, often taking advantage of a design weakness"

			This can include picking. Is there perhaps another standard for which I am not aware?

Datagram at 01:47, 14 January 2009

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	Well in my opinion the term "bypass" can loosely be defined as any method to unlock a lock, I suppose even including the key. I would consider lockpicking a form of bypass, for example. When I am unlocking someone's house for them, and I pick the lock, I am bypassing that lock.		Well in my opinion the term "bypass" can loosely be defined as any method to unlock a lock, I suppose even including the key. I would consider lockpicking a form of bypass, for example. When I am unlocking someone's house for them, and I pick the lock, I am bypassing that lock.

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			Mcm,<br>
			The technical definition, one that I'd like to follow at lockwiki to avoid confusion is that any method to unlock a lock is known as a "compromise." Attacks against the cylinder are lockpicking. Attacks against non-cylinder lock components or surrounding area are bypass, named so because you are bypassing the security offered by the cylinder itself. Decoding is an attack against internal components, but does not necessarily open the lock or produce a key, only tell you the proper alignment of components. Impressioning is essentially a combination of decoding and lockpicking with the distinction of producing a working key. Some techniques are a gray area (e.g. tryout keys), but are still technically attacks against the cylinder and are thus classified as lockpicking. Most of these classifications aren't applied to destructive techniques (drilling isn't "lockpicking," of course), but some are blanket terms that involve destructive methods. For the sake of simplicity and clarity we can ignore these cases.
			<br>-dg, 01.13.09

Mcm151201 at 22:36, 13 January 2009

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	<br>-dg, 01.12.09		<br>-dg, 01.12.09

			Well in my opinion the term "bypass" can loosely be defined as any method to unlock a lock, I suppose even including the key. I would consider lockpicking a form of bypass, for example. When I am unlocking someone's house for them, and I pick the lock, I am bypassing that lock.

Datagram at 06:36, 13 January 2009

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New page

Mcm,
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I'd like to remove 'intended authentication, usually a key or combination' because this is irrelevant in context (lockpicking too does not need either). Bypass is unique because it is an attack against non-cylinder portions of the lock, namely actuator or bolt (While it is right to include latch I don't think it is necessary; makes it a bit wordy). We also have "a bypass occurs" a few too many times, and the ending is a bit wordy if we include surreptitious (eventually I'd like to have the NDE page like to covert/s.e anyways...). Here's my proposed change:<br>

"A bypass occurs when a [[Lock|lock]] is compromised without affecting the integrity of the lock cylinder. Generally, the [[Bolt|bolt]] or [[Actuator|actuator]] are targetted, though in some methods a knob or handle on the rear of a door is manipulated to allow entry. Bypass takes many forms, and can be either [[Non-destructive_Entry|non-destructive]] or [[Destructive_Entry|destructive]] depending on the techniques used."

<br>-dg, 01.12.09