Talk:Legal issues - Revision history

Datagram at 20:50, 15 October 2012

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			All entries have been updated to newer links where available. A number of states have been changed to prima facie, others have become legal with intent, etc. Please fix any links that get broken!

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Datagram at 17:01, 29 June 2012

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	I agree. I can't find anything saying lock picks are illegal in kansas. Change this?		I agree. I can't find anything saying lock picks are illegal in kansas. Change this?


			I'll look into getting it clarified / link fixed. ([[User:Datagram\|Datagram]] 10:01, 29 June 2012 (PDT))

	== District of Columbia Legality ==		== District of Columbia Legality ==

65.26.30.132: /* Kansas Legality */

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Kansas Legality

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	Answering questions at TOOOL defcon I was stumped by one about Kansas. Lockwiki (my goto) states that they're illegal and that they're a certification requirement, but I can't find anything in the state statutes to support that. The link is dead (appeared to be a bill, not to the state code). Other sites like http://www.lockpickguide.com/legalityoflockpicks.html conclude no statute on point. I would suggest reevaluating the current status unless there's some specific information I'm missing. --[[Special:Contributions/70.108.43.192\|70.108.43.192]] 16:47, 12 August 2011 (UTC)		Answering questions at TOOOL defcon I was stumped by one about Kansas. Lockwiki (my goto) states that they're illegal and that they're a certification requirement, but I can't find anything in the state statutes to support that. The link is dead (appeared to be a bill, not to the state code). Other sites like http://www.lockpickguide.com/legalityoflockpicks.html conclude no statute on point. I would suggest reevaluating the current status unless there's some specific information I'm missing. --[[Special:Contributions/70.108.43.192\|70.108.43.192]] 16:47, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

			I agree. I can't find anything saying lock picks are illegal in kansas. Change this?

	== District of Columbia Legality ==		== District of Columbia Legality ==

Datagram at 17:49, 14 September 2011

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 == California Legality of Sales/Transfers Link ==
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 If this is the incorrect URL to update the USChart table I apologize for missing it. If it is correct could someone update it or grant me permission to edit the table. I would like to keep this page up to date since it is a very useful resource.

LeitoM at 23:26, 13 September 2011

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			== California Legality of Sales/Transfers Link ==
			I was clicking through to read about legal requirements for sale of locksmithing tools and found the Sale/Transfer link to be incorrect.

			It should be pointing to this page.
			http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=466-469

			I attempted to update the link but when I pressed the edit button (with this URL http://www.lockwiki.com/index.php?title=Legal_issues&action=edit&section=7) though it didn't show me any place to edit the information for California.

			If this is the incorrect URL to update the USChart table I apologize for missing it. If it is correct could someone update it or grant me permission to edit the table. I would like to keep this page up to date since it is a very useful resource.



	== Kansas Legality ==		== Kansas Legality ==

70.108.43.192: Suggest reevaluation of Kansas rating

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Suggest reevaluation of Kansas rating

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			== Kansas Legality ==

			Answering questions at TOOOL defcon I was stumped by one about Kansas. Lockwiki (my goto) states that they're illegal and that they're a certification requirement, but I can't find anything in the state statutes to support that. The link is dead (appeared to be a bill, not to the state code). Other sites like http://www.lockpickguide.com/legalityoflockpicks.html conclude no statute on point. I would suggest reevaluating the current status unless there's some specific information I'm missing. --[[Special:Contributions/70.108.43.192\|70.108.43.192]] 16:47, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


			== District of Columbia Legality ==
	According District of Columbia Official Code, DC ST § 22-2501, it would not appear to be prima facie:		According District of Columbia Official Code, DC ST § 22-2501, it would not appear to be prima facie:

Datagram at 20:11, 20 December 2010

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	The Virginia Court of Appeals would seem to disagree with the common perception that the mere posession of lockpicking tools is illegal. See http://caselaw.findlaw.com/va-court-of-appeals/1220044.html ("The mere possession of burglarious tools is not a crime under the statute. It is possession with intent to use them to commit a crime [that is criminal].")		The Virginia Court of Appeals would seem to disagree with the common perception that the mere posession of lockpicking tools is illegal. See http://caselaw.findlaw.com/va-court-of-appeals/1220044.html ("The mere possession of burglarious tools is not a crime under the statute. It is possession with intent to use them to commit a crime [that is criminal].")

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			Hi Anon,
			That case is interesting but it doesn't mention lockpicking tools specifically. All tools mentioned are common hand tools used for destructive entry. It's nice to know that the court of appeals feels this way but their law still explicity states possession is prima facie. Until that changes I'm going to leave their entry as-is.

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174.78.145.234 at 18:44, 20 December 2010

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			== Virginia Legality ==

			The Virginia Court of Appeals would seem to disagree with the common perception that the mere posession of lockpicking tools is illegal. See http://caselaw.findlaw.com/va-court-of-appeals/1220044.html ("The mere possession of burglarious tools is not a crime under the statute. It is possession with intent to use them to commit a crime [that is criminal].")

Datagram at 22:52, 1 September 2010

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	[[User:David\|David]] 22:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)		[[User:David\|David]] 22:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

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			Hey David, info has been changed. You can change this stuff yourself in the future if you prefer, just make sure to cite references as much as possible.

			[[User:Datagram\|Datagram]] 22:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
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David: /* New York State Requirements */

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New York State Requirements

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	Reference 2 on the line for New York takes you to the page in the NYC code that covers locksmith licenses, not to a page that applies to the State as a whole. Also, the [http://www.aloa.org/AGMap/AG.htm ALOA] website doesn't list New York as a state that requires licenses.		Reference 2 on the line for New York takes you to the page in the NYC code that covers locksmith licenses, not to a page that applies to the State as a whole. Also, the [http://www.aloa.org/AGMap/AG.htm ALOA] website doesn't list New York as a state that requires licenses.

			[[User:David\|David]] 22:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)